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john mccain and lindsey graham say he's ridiculous for what he did yesterday. there seems to be an emerging split among these republicans in the senate. what do you make of this? >> i think van also slipped in a reference to the devil in there too, but we can ignore that for a moment. you know, wolf, it's true. there is a split in the republican party, there's a split in the democratic party. senator diane finestein, the californian democratic was one of the most vociferous objectors to the president's drone program. i support a vigorous approach abroad, using drones to kill terrorists. i draw the line, like rand paul does, at home when it comes to defending the american people, we do not use the military on american soil, particularly against americans. and so i thought what rand paul did was a great wake-up bell for the nation, to focus a spotlight on a problem that's something we should talk about. and one of the worst mistakes we made in the bush administration was after september 11th, we were so worried about preventing next attack, we did everything thro
john mccain and lindsey graham say he's ridiculous for what he did yesterday. there seems to be an emerging split among these republicans in the senate. what do you make of this? >> i think van also slipped in a reference to the devil in there too, but we can ignore that for a moment. you know, wolf, it's true. there is a split in the republican party, there's a split in the democratic party. senator diane finestein, the californian democratic was one of the most vociferous objectors to...
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but then, fellow republicans like john mccain and lindsey graham criticized him. here's mccain. >> i don't think that what happened yesterday is helpful to the american people. but somehow, to allege that the united states of america, our government would drop a drone hellfire missile on jane fonda, that is -- that brings the conversation from a serious discussion about u.s. policy to the realm of the ridiculous. >> my first thought was who are you and what have you done to john mccain? i assume that you are fine with republican senators targeting each other. but some liberals also agree with rand paul. is he exposing a guidivide on t left about this president's anti-terrorist strategy? >> well, first of all, i just think maybe we're going to be having normal politics in america again. what's happened the past four years has been quite shameful. you had the republicans said look, our number one priority is to get rid of this president, so every liberal and progressive said well, our number one priority is to keep him in there. so then it was just straight shirts a
but then, fellow republicans like john mccain and lindsey graham criticized him. here's mccain. >> i don't think that what happened yesterday is helpful to the american people. but somehow, to allege that the united states of america, our government would drop a drone hellfire missile on jane fonda, that is -- that brings the conversation from a serious discussion about u.s. policy to the realm of the ridiculous. >> my first thought was who are you and what have you done to john...
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over 1% of the people there have been successfully convicted. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he is very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who by longed in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes. i have been firm against torture, but i do believe that guantanamo bay is a secure military facility that provides this country a great asset. and we have received a lot of information from guantanamo bay detainees. >> you remember, when there was the trial eventually reversed. what do you think about the pros and cons, legally speaking, either sending him to guantanamo bay or new york? >> well, it is true there is a major difference between the two in terms of interrogation. in a criminal court where he is now, he will receive a lawyer who will surely say stop talking to prosecutors, don't say anything. in guantanamo, there will be more flexibility to
over 1% of the people there have been successfully convicted. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he is very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who by longed in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes. i have been firm against torture, but i do believe...
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. >> although lindsey graham, i interviewed him earlier this week. he is part of what they call that caucus of common sense, at least on this issue he made it clear he is ready to work out a big picture deal. let me play this little clip. >> i think the only way out is a big deal. republicans are not going to raise revenue to pay for sequestration. and i don't believe we can really do -- >> you mean raise taxes? >> yeah, eliminating deductions and loopholes, count me in for that but put the money on the debt. >> right, that is the framework of a deal that is out there. further revenue coupled with entitlement reform. the reality is what lindsey graham is saying, republicans can't get what they prized most, the entitlement reform that will slow the growth of government without president obama's signature for the next four years. and the only way to get that is by tying it to revenue. and if you think about the president's long-term goals here, accelerating economic growth delivers better outcomes for the key initiatives is critical. and all of these c
. >> although lindsey graham, i interviewed him earlier this week. he is part of what they call that caucus of common sense, at least on this issue he made it clear he is ready to work out a big picture deal. let me play this little clip. >> i think the only way out is a big deal. republicans are not going to raise revenue to pay for sequestration. and i don't believe we can really do -- >> you mean raise taxes? >> yeah, eliminating deductions and loopholes, count me in...
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as you heard lindsey graham there say how the cuts affect defense is now a big concern to him and especially to senator john mccain who joined me earlier. >> as you know, meetings at the white house today on the sequester, met for an hour and a half. i mean, do you get the sense -- the sense i get is the american people are fed up, sick of hearing about this, sick of this kind of finger pointing. who do you blame? >> i think everybody can share some of the blame. and i will admit to being a partisan republican. but i believe it is the job of the president of the united states, particularly as commander in chief, when we're talking about the effects on defense here. i believed a year ago that the president should call people into the office and start negotiating. but having said that, i will accept blame, and i think republicans voted for it. but again, i think the president should be leading. and we should be sitting down and really ready to do whatever is necessary to prevent, in my view, a blow to national defense. >> you have been in washington for a long time, and you know, we had jordan
as you heard lindsey graham there say how the cuts affect defense is now a big concern to him and especially to senator john mccain who joined me earlier. >> as you know, meetings at the white house today on the sequester, met for an hour and a half. i mean, do you get the sense -- the sense i get is the american people are fed up, sick of hearing about this, sick of this kind of finger pointing. who do you blame? >> i think everybody can share some of the blame. and i will admit to...
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as you heard lindsey graham there say how the cuts affect defense is now a big concern to him and especially to senator john mccain who joined me earlier. >> as you know, meetings at the white house today on the sequester, met for an hour and a half. i mean, do you get the sense -- the sense i get is the american people are fed up, sick of hearing about this, sick of this kind of finger pointing. who do you blame? >> i think everybody can share some of the blame. and i will admit to being a partisan republican. but i believe it is the job of the president of the united states, particularly as commander in chief, when we're talking about the effects on defense here. i believed a year ago that the president should call people into the office and start negotiating. but having said that, i will accept blame, and i think republicans voted for it. but again, i think the president should be leading. and we should be sitting down and really ready to do whatever is necessary to prevent, in my view, a blow to national defense. >> you have been in washington for a long time, and you know, we had jordan
as you heard lindsey graham there say how the cuts affect defense is now a big concern to him and especially to senator john mccain who joined me earlier. >> as you know, meetings at the white house today on the sequester, met for an hour and a half. i mean, do you get the sense -- the sense i get is the american people are fed up, sick of hearing about this, sick of this kind of finger pointing. who do you blame? >> i think everybody can share some of the blame. and i will admit to...
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. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every other whipstitch blaming republicans we just want to eliminate these taxes for the rich. what is he talking about? he's been talking about on the campaign trail shutting down the oil and gas industry in kansas, shutting down agriculture, lending institutions, et cetera, et cetera, all sorts of executive orders and regulations. in terms of tax reform and the loopholes, where are they? what's the plan? where's the list? >> well, would you be able to get into negotiations? >> i'm always ready to get into negotiations. i know numbers are important but the policy is an important as well. yeah, we want to do that.
. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every...
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lindsey graham says it's about time. >> the fact there is a lot of interest in a dinner between the president and a handful of republican senators is a pretty good statement about where we're at as a nation. not blaming anybody because it takes both parties to get $16 trillion in debt. ths going to take both parties to get out. >> some interesting polling causing some to say is this the president on his knees to the republicans? "outfront" tonight, former campaign spokesman for the president and terry holt, former press secretary for the bush cheney campaign. this comes five days after the republicans refused to cave on the spending cuts. they view it as a win. democrats say they will live to regret that. but is the white house now caving to republicans? saying look, we need you more than you need us? let's have a dinner. >> let's look at where the president is. he still hasn't submitted a budget because he know es he can't get it through the senate and the senate hasn't proposed a budget in years and so, the president is in a pretty tough spot and has invited these republicans to dinner beca
lindsey graham says it's about time. >> the fact there is a lot of interest in a dinner between the president and a handful of republican senators is a pretty good statement about where we're at as a nation. not blaming anybody because it takes both parties to get $16 trillion in debt. ths going to take both parties to get out. >> some interesting polling causing some to say is this the president on his knees to the republicans? "outfront" tonight, former campaign...
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. >> senator lindsey graham came up with the invite list, and the invite list is not a bunch of moderates. >> there are no moderate left in the republican party. >> these are conservative republicans. some of his biggest critics and what the president's going to get from them is, okay, if you want a grand bargain, here's what you need to do for us and that's what lindsay graham and john mccain want to do. >> it looks like it's not a late dinner because a bunch of them already left. >> early birds. >> appreciate it. >>> just had breaking news. african lion hand raised at a sanctuary devoted to saving exotic cats, an animal on the "ellen" show a while back, killed a 26-year-old woman. we'll get jeff corewin's take on that attack. >>> and a cnn exclusive. the family of reeva steenkamp is speaking out for the first time since oscar pistorius was freed on bail. what they told drew griffin in south africa may change the way you see her killing. you just can'tatch >> announcer: men, no diet, no exerciserogram, no new set of clothes can ever improve your confidce, your good looks and the way wome
. >> senator lindsey graham came up with the invite list, and the invite list is not a bunch of moderates. >> there are no moderate left in the republican party. >> these are conservative republicans. some of his biggest critics and what the president's going to get from them is, okay, if you want a grand bargain, here's what you need to do for us and that's what lindsay graham and john mccain want to do. >> it looks like it's not a late dinner because a bunch of them...
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. >> talking about lindsey graham on the republican side, because it sounds like he's not talking to the leadership? >> he just had the leadership in on friday. what's most important we're not trying to make those calls to read out the names. he's making those calls to see where there might be a coalition of willing, a caucus for common sense and trying to build trust. he's going to be having a lot more conversations like that because he understands, as i think more and more republicans will understand, that it makes no sense to sit back and watch communities that depend on military spending devastated. it makes no sense to see us lose 750,000 jobs when we could come together in bipartisan compromise if we're all willing to give a little. >> let me ask you about jobs. when do you expect we will see enough jobs created to make a sizable dent in the unemployment rate which has been so stubbornly high. >> this is exactly the point we're making. right now you have seen some momentum in areas like housing and auto sales. you've started to see jobs created at a level that could slowly be b
. >> talking about lindsey graham on the republican side, because it sounds like he's not talking to the leadership? >> he just had the leadership in on friday. what's most important we're not trying to make those calls to read out the names. he's making those calls to see where there might be a coalition of willing, a caucus for common sense and trying to build trust. he's going to be having a lot more conversations like that because he understands, as i think more and more...
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remember, he's had john mccain and lindsey graham for example over to the white house recently to talk about immigration and they also did talk about this sequester. but the president's going to leave the white house, go to a hotel in washington, d.c. there will be more than a half a dozen republican senators there. the president extended the invitation. the republicans apparently came up with a list of who's going to attend. we'll see if they sequester the wine list or free throw the conversation. remember last week, the president was running around the country saying if the budget cuts went into effect -- we've seen in the last 24 hour, going to have dinner with republican senators tonight. going to go up to capitol hill next week and talk to republican senators on their turf. he's also going to go over to the house, republicans control the house of representatives. that's the president's biggest problem right now and he's going to meet with them as well. now, he's done these meetings in the past, but to have it happen so quickly, this quick pivot right after the argument over budget
remember, he's had john mccain and lindsey graham for example over to the white house recently to talk about immigration and they also did talk about this sequester. but the president's going to leave the white house, go to a hotel in washington, d.c. there will be more than a half a dozen republican senators there. the president extended the invitation. the republicans apparently came up with a list of who's going to attend. we'll see if they sequester the wine list or free throw the...
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senator john mccain to a certain extent, lindsey graham came out and criticized that filibuster. and it was seen as kind of an old guard, young turk sort of divide in the republican party. if you had to describe what is going on now inside the republican party, how would you describe it? >> i would say it is a natural process of where there's divergen divergence, people can express their views openly. but that on the broad issues, there's still broad support and concurrence. the fact that senator mccain was critical of elements of what senator paul said is fair. but on the other hand, i think he would respect the fact that senator paul got a response from the administration on the key question of whether or not drones could be used against american citizens on american soil. i think it's okay to have a disagreement. you know, we don't march lock step 100% in agreement all the time. but on these broader issues, i think there is broad support and that's what's emerging in the republican party going forward. >> and the president's so-called charm offensive, it's been noted by some f
senator john mccain to a certain extent, lindsey graham came out and criticized that filibuster. and it was seen as kind of an old guard, young turk sort of divide in the republican party. if you had to describe what is going on now inside the republican party, how would you describe it? >> i would say it is a natural process of where there's divergen divergence, people can express their views openly. but that on the broad issues, there's still broad support and concurrence. the fact that...
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and the one senator who put it together lindsey graham september osent ought a tweet today, he said hope it serves as the beginning of a new paradigm where people in elected office actually talk to each other about meaningful issues. one of the senators who i spoke with said that what struck him was the fact that the president sort of can got to understand better the republicans and the republicans got to understand the president better. and he said that that was even more of a shocker i think to republicans, that the president is actually sincere in where he's coming from. i have a very unsophisticated word to describe this. duh. this is human relationships and it should have been happening for years and years. to understand each other, baseline of that, that has to happen before they can talk across party lines. >> wolf, didn't we have this conversation in 2009 and it had to do with beer and a beer summit and it was sitting down as regular people just like the picture shows you, trying to get over an impasse by just sitting down to either a good meal or a good beer? >> once you establi
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particularly also want to thank both senator lindsey graham and senator mccain for coordinating the meeting. good. very candid discussion. and the discussion included not only sequester, the budget, but really where we focused is how do we bring people together in a bipartisan way to address the debt and deficit. and that means tax reform and that means entitlement reform the way we preserve social security and medicare but truly addresses the debt and deficit. >> so forgive rand paul if he doesn't have much to say today. did he a lot of talking yesterday. nearly 13 hours worth. >> i rise today to begin to filibuster john brennan's nomination for the cia. i will speak until i can no longer speak. i will speak as long as it takes. >> and speak he did. from 11:47 wednesday morning until well past midnight. the senator's attack focused squarely on the president's drone program and its use on on american citizens overseas and possibly here on u.s. soil. paul alone. he got help. a couple fellow senators took over for a brief time asking questions or reading tweets. but it was a tea party senator
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. >> that was senator mccain and lindsey graham attacking rand paul. this launched a fiery debate on drones in the u.s. we want to bring in our analyst, gloria borger, we talked extensively. what was that last summer here on the president's secret drone program and kill list. i want to begin with you here. senator paul said president obama talking to dana on the same page with him and now we see the answer and have this response via this letter that the answer is no. i love to talk to senator paul and ask him if this is good enough, but i wonder what defines imminent threat. is this nubulous? >> in many ways eric holder's letter was not as target said as it could have been. i think that what you see in this answer is that the u.s. government cannot randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. what it does not say and i think this is where rand paul probably agrees with eric holder is that you can't rule out targeting an enemy combatant as rand paul said. somebody is going into the capitol with a grenade, of course. the "wall street
. >> that was senator mccain and lindsey graham attacking rand paul. this launched a fiery debate on drones in the u.s. we want to bring in our analyst, gloria borger, we talked extensively. what was that last summer here on the president's secret drone program and kill list. i want to begin with you here. senator paul said president obama talking to dana on the same page with him and now we see the answer and have this response via this letter that the answer is no. i love to talk to...
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senator lindsey graham among them. >> we believe firmly that gitmo, there is no substitute for it, that congress will agree upon, that it is the right place to put an enemy combatant for interrogation and at all possible trial. >> we're going to talk about a little of the politics of that a little later. first, suleman abugathe. tim lister here, executive editor. he wasn't an operations guy, but clearly he was well connected. a son-in-law of bin laden. here he is side by side with him. how did we get our hands on him? >> like an episode out of "homeland". he was skulking around in iran for ten years. got there in 2002. he seems to be very restless. at some point the iranians pushed him or he decided to go. he crosses the border into turkey on a forged saudi passport. the turks horrified, this is the last thing they want. he's in turbish custody for four weeks. the cia alerted the turks he was staying at this luxury hotel in ankara. >> luxury hotel. >> they put him on a plane to kuwait, his land of birth, but the plane stops in jordan and the jordanians, close to the cia, hand him over.
senator lindsey graham among them. >> we believe firmly that gitmo, there is no substitute for it, that congress will agree upon, that it is the right place to put an enemy combatant for interrogation and at all possible trial. >> we're going to talk about a little of the politics of that a little later. first, suleman abugathe. tim lister here, executive editor. he wasn't an operations guy, but clearly he was well connected. a son-in-law of bin laden. here he is side by side with...
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graham. gloria borger joins me live here. much to chew over. speaking of chewing and breaking bread, gloria, why dinner? this is certainly not the way the president did business with republicans during the first term. why this way? >> or with democrats, i might add. not, you know, didn't dos by like this with much of anybody. when you -- remember when the president had the first press conference after his re-election, he was asked about why he didn't have more people over to the white house to socialize, and his answer was, you know what, i played golf with john boehner, we had fun, but it didn't get a budget deal done in 2011, it didn't work. i spoke with a senior administration official who said to me, you know what, there is this myth in washington that if we all sit down around a table, somehow, something miraculous is going to occur and republicans are going to start working with us. so clearly it was something he thought was pretty absurd. so lo and behold, brooke, now we have the presi
graham. gloria borger joins me live here. much to chew over. speaking of chewing and breaking bread, gloria, why dinner? this is certainly not the way the president did business with republicans during the first term. why this way? >> or with democrats, i might add. not, you know, didn't dos by like this with much of anybody. when you -- remember when the president had the first press conference after his re-election, he was asked about why he didn't have more people over to the white...
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. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he's very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who belonged in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. listen to senator graham. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes? i have been firm against torture but i do believe that guantanamo bay is a secure military facility that provides this country a great asset and we've received a lot of information from guantanamo bay detainees. >> as you remember, the uproar a few years ago when they were thinking of sending sheikh mohammed to be tried before a civil court in new york. that eventually was reversed. what do you think about the pros and cons legally speaking? >> well, it is true that there is a major difference between the two in terms of interrogation. in a criminal court where he is now, he will receive a lawyer who will undoubted he will say, stop talking to prosecutors.
. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he's very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who belonged in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. listen to senator graham. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes? i have been firm against torture but i do believe that guantanamo bay is a secure...